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    Dec 7, 2023, 09:09 PM
    Bummer for the Bidens
    This can't be good news for dad, especially if it turns out to be, as seems likely, merely the tip of the iceberg. I can see this snowballing into dad deciding not to run.

    President Biden's son Hunter Biden was indicted in California Thursday on a litany of tax charges, according to documents made public.
    The indictment Hunter Biden's failure to pay nearly $200,000 of income tax in the year 2019.


    Special Counsel David Weiss has been using a federal grand jury in Los Angeles to gather evidence of possible criminal tax charges against Hunter Biden.


    https://www.foxnews.com/politics/hun...ent-california
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    Dec 8, 2023, 04:22 AM
    A slap on the wrist . At most he will be fined . Meanwhile it takes the heat off of Quid. It also means that the Justice Dept can continue to stonewall in Congressional hearing saying they can't comment on an ongoing investigation yada yada .
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    Dec 8, 2023, 08:43 AM
    According to FoxNews, it's all about evading taxes to the tune of 1.4 mil and he could face 15 years. I wonder if he ends up turning state's evidence on dad as part of a deal?
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    Dec 8, 2023, 10:57 AM
    not likely This prosecutor Weiss was the same one that was going to allow a plea deal on gun charges . The only reason that didn't go down was because the judge started questioning the deal ;and then Hunter refused the deal when it was revealed that he was not immune from other charges

    So then AG Garland decides to appoint the same prosecutor as special council . Cute . There is where the case would've died except for the fact that there were now IRS whistleblowers telling Congress that the Justice Dept stonewalled the Hunter investigations with the goal of getting past the statute of limitations .

    Under the circumstances these charges are the least that can be brought up .They have no choice . Hunter did not pay his taxes .Hunter falsified returns on the year he actually paid them . When his taxes were paid ;a business associate paid them because the money owed the IRS was spent on drugs and prostitutes .

    Look for this narrative going forward . Hunter is being politically persecuted by the Repubs .


    I don't know the time line going forward except that I am certain that Quid being the Pres will before he leaves office or before Hunter goes to jail or pays any penalty ; pardon Hunter because he is the victim of a political witch hunt.

    yeah they will adopt Trump's rhetoric verbatim .
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    Dec 8, 2023, 11:24 AM
    There is no winning hand for the Bidens. If they treat him with kid gloves, there will be an outraged voting public, or at least many of them will be. If they are honest in applying the law, HB will begin to sweat and who knows what will happen then. Having gone public and brought the charges, Weiss has put himself in something of a hole.
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    Dec 8, 2023, 11:55 AM
    Weiss had no choice . Given what the whistleblowers revealed he would risk his career by not indicting .


    The DOJ now has another reason for not handing over subpoenaed docs to the Repubs in the House impeachment inquiry (ongoing court proceedings )

    Meanwhile clowns like Poppy Harlow at CNN are already saying that in a 56 pge indictment ;Quid was not mentioned once.......and yet the Repubs continue to use Hunter Biden's business as a pretext for impeachment .

    CNN.com - Transcripts
    BTW
    good luck finding a jury willing to convict him in LA
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    Dec 8, 2023, 11:59 AM
    If the evidence makes his guilt obvious, then not convicting him carries more political danger than convicting him.
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    Dec 9, 2023, 04:45 AM
    The numbers seem off to me . The income was more than $20 million from foreign sources. Seems some of that was overlooked.

    Also there are no charges about not being a registered foreign agent. Manafort (spent time in solitary confinement) and Gates went to jail for that. The charges don't address repayment of loans that did not exist in the Biden Crime Family laundering model.

    As often times when Quid or his crime family is in hot water the DOJ goes into damage control. How many times have raids on political opponent's homes happened when Quid needed a distraction ?

    These indictments would not have gone down at this time except for the fact that the Congressional Repubs want Hunter in a private sit down interview with their attorneys . Now; document along with testimony can be withheld because of an ongoing criminal proceeding . He can now plead the 5th for the same reason.

    Convicted or not ;I still predict he won't spend a day in jail .....and will be pardoned by Quid before he leaves office. The precedent is the Nixon pardon. He was pardoned before any charges were even filed.
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    Dec 9, 2023, 05:06 AM
    Abbe Lowell, is Hunters lawyer . He is already spinning that had Hunter any other name but Biden ;that he would not have been charged . That will soon by the Dem narrative.

    Interested to see if Newsom's California follows up with their own charges for violating a state income tax that is the highest in the land .(13.3%)
    Does a snow ball have a chance in hell ?
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    Dec 9, 2023, 06:37 AM
    He is already spinning that had Hunter any other name but Biden ;that he would not have been charged . That will soon by the Dem narrative.
    The level of audacious lying here is really stunning, but the Nazis demonstrated that if you're going to lie, you have to go all in to make it believable. It doesn't surprise me at all that they are lying. It's rather shocking that so many people are willing to believe it all.
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    Dec 14, 2023, 05:27 AM
    Hunter Biden yesterday refused to testify in closed Congressional session . Instead he stood outside of the Senate (not the House where the Sergeant-at Arms has authority to arrest him ); and demanded to testify in public.

    There is of course a clear difference between public testimony ;which is often a zoo review as lawmakers trip over themselves looking for camera time during their 5 minute "questioning" period; and a privately held session.

    In private testimony Hunter would be quizzed by Congressional lawyers in what is essentially a deposition. There is no time limit placed or the manner of questions asked.

    It is a good ploy if he can get away with it. (and I suspect he will ) James Comer threatened contempt charges and I hope he follows through.

    Donald Trump Jr sat through 5 separate sessions with the Dem controlled Congress. Just imagine what would've happened if he defied them . The compliant press yesterday gave him the pass telling their sheeple that there is nothing there there.
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    Dec 14, 2023, 05:50 AM
    The hypocrisy of this whole thing is just stunning. What is fine for some people (liberal dems) is a gross breach of morality for others (conservatives).
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    Dec 14, 2023, 06:03 AM
    This is actually an interesting development for another reason. Quid's stratergy to date was Sergeant Schultz 'I know nuthink ' ;and to downplay and dismiss Hunter's business dealings .

    Hunter getting on the soap box yesterday is a break from that plan.He linked it back to the impeachment inquiry.
    Comer said ,as the House was voting to continue their impeachment inquiry "Today's obstruction by Hunter Biden reinforces the need for a formal vote"
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    May 10, 2024, 03:39 AM
    A Federal appeals judge denied Hunter's motion to have his sweet heart gun deal reinstated . He will have to face trial for the charges.

    This of course is a drop in the bucket compared to his part in the Biden Crime family
    It also puts conservatives who are 2nd amendment absolutists in a corner

    Federal appeals court refuses to dismiss Hunter Biden's gun charges (usatoday.com)


    Last year Clarence Thomas wrote in a 2nd Amendment case ; ““When the Second Amendment’s plain text covers an individual’s conduct, the Constitution presumptively protects that conduct,” “The government must then justify its regulation by demonstrating that it is consistent with the Nation’s historical tradition of firearm regulation. Only then may a court conclude that the individual’s conduct falls outside the Second Amendment’s unqualified command.”
    20-843 New York State Rifle & Pistol Assn., Inc. v. Bruen (06/23/2022) (supremecourt.gov)

    Thomas' history-and-tradition test has been used to overturn gun possession laws across the country .

    Hunter's lawyers have used the decision to challenge his gun law violations . In fact one of the specific charges against Hunter has already been declared unconstitutional

    Federal appeals court strikes down law prohibiting users of illegal drugs from possessing firearms | CNN Politics

    It would be ironic if Hunter's case went to SCOTUS and conservative justices rule in his favor ;especially since Clueless Joe has been critical of SCOTUS 2nd amendment decisions .
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    Jun 3, 2024, 03:24 AM
    The jury selection for Hunter Biden's trial on gun charges begins today . What ? This is not front page news ? Imagin that .

    They will get him on the gun charges because the Dems hate the 2nd amendment . So this is low fruit.

    Check out the headlines from the NY Slimes and others from the compliant press

    Hunter Biden to Go on Trial in Gun Case, Days After Trump Was Convicted - The New York Times (nytimes.com)

    Hunter Biden Criminal Trial Begins in Aftermath of Trump Conviction (usnews.com)

    Days after Trump's guilty verdict, Hunter Biden heads to court (nbcnews.com)

    Hunter Biden criminal trial begins in aftermath of Trump conviction | Reuters
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    Jun 3, 2024, 04:53 AM
    Hunter Biden is doubtless guilty of many things, but this silliness (lying about his use of illegal drugs when he bought a Colt Cobra .38-caliber revolver and with illegally possessing the weapon for 11 days in October 2018) is yet another example of a waste of federal resources. I wonder how many hundreds of thousands of dope smokers check "no" when they buy a gun?
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    Yesterday, 11:31 AM
    I have been puzzled about why Hunter did not cop a plea in this gun case. The evidence is slam dunk. There cannot be any doubt ;reasonable or not ; that he did what he is charged with.

    Then I was hearing today how the First Lady sat in court today during jury selection .

    Jill Biden was a powerful presence on Monday in the courtroom. As the jury selection process got underway, she could be seen paying rapt attention and taking notes as well as frequently whispering to the women by her side. During breaks, she would wait for Hunter Biden to leave the defense table and give him a hug before exiting the room.

    It was apparent that the first lady’s stature was that of any ordinary relative of a defendant. She got up, with everyone else in the courtroom, to “All rise”when U.S. District Court Judge Maryellen Noreika entered.

    By the afternoon on Monday, a diverse jury had been selected. The first lady sat across from everyday Delaware citizens who would soon decide her son’s fate.
    Jill Biden emerges as a fierce protector of Hunter Biden (usatoday.com)

    Then it occured to me .

    James Comey ...... no reasonable prosecutor would charge Evita

    Robert Hur ..... no reasonable jury would convict Quid Pro Joe

    The defense strategy is jury nullification. There is not a jury in Delaware that would convict a Biden.

    There is not a jury in Delaware that would convict a Biden.
    In the end the line will be yada yada no one is above the law yada yada Hunter was acquitted by a jury of his peers yada yada yada
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    Yesterday, 04:56 PM
    Hey remember that laptop that the whole intel community claimed was Russian disinformation in the run up to the 2020 election ;that Clueless Joe used the intel assessment as a talking point in his debate with Trump ?????

    Well guess what ? The prosecution in the Hunter Biden gun trial has the laptop sealed in plastic as exhibit #16 as evidence against Hunter .

    Attorneys for Hunter Biden had previously attempted to preclude the laptop as evidence, arguing that they have "numerous reasons to believe the data had been altered and compromised before investigators obtained the electronic material."
    But in his response on Wednesday, Weiss claimed that Biden "has not provided any evidence or information that shows that his laptop contains false information, and the government's evidence shows the opposite."
    "Any argument that suggests his laptop is not authentic would be inappropriate because there is no foundation for such questioning, and it risks creating juror confusion about the evidence actually at issue in this case," Weiss wrote.
    Special counsel plans to use infamous laptop as evidence in Hunter Biden's firearm trial - ABC News (go.com)
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    Yesterday, 07:58 PM
    If the Delaware jury lets HB off the hook, it will all work to Trump's benefit by making the kangaroo nature of these two trials seem clearly apparent.
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    Today, 02:21 AM
    I am leaning on nullification. This case doesn't make sense otherwise. 1st time offender with the facts on prosecution side begs for a plea deal. The facts clearly are on the side of the prosecution. But Hunter has a really good lawyer on his side. Abbe Lowell is a well respected lawyer who has represented high profile politicians since his days in the Carter administration .He defended Ivanka Trump Jared Kushner while they were in the White House. He got John Edwards off of a campaign finance violation charge that was prosecuted by Jack Smith. He was on the Bubba impeachment defense .

    Lowell, Abbe David | Winston & Strawn



    He will play the sympathy card . Hunter is the only remaining son of a President who lost his family in a car wreck and one son due to toxic exposure while serving in the military in Iraq. These tragedies affected Hunter and contributed to his addictions.

    His opening salvo is that the false statement had to be made knowingly. But Hunter was a druggie and that affected him .Accordingly ;Hunter was in and out of rehab .At the time he genuinely believed he was clean.

    Drug addiction and those affected by it played a key role in jury selection.

    Prosecution has already blundered by allowing the jury to hear a excerpt of Hunter's audio book where he describes his descent into addiction following the death of Beau (the Biden family plays the 'Beau card' for all it's worth). Hunter's sister sitting in attendance was crying . The jury saw that too.

    Now to the prosecution the audio represents an admission of guilt. But what will the jury do with it ?

    Any way Hunter gets off will prove a two tier system . But I don't believe the President would allow Hunter to go to trial unless he had a card up his sleeve.

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