[talaniman]

We want to stop the flood of illegal immigrants, clean and simple. Sad that in your mind that makes us "bible thumpers and racist coalition". Yet you are the guy that wants to bemoan the practice of name calling by Trump. Sounds to me like the two of you have a lot in common.

The dufus has passed a judgement on migrants and branded them illegal and treated them like criminals without the proper due process required by law. You have aided, abetted, and enabled such bad behavior with your support of him. The fact that you as a Christian have joined the supremist to this end speaks volumes.

I'm not calling names but calling you out since you ignore the example of your own savior.

[Wondergirl]

The dufus has passed a judgement on migrants and branded them illegal and treated them like criminals without the proper due process required by law. You have aided, abetted, and enabled such bad behavior with your support of him. The fact that you as a Christian have joined the supremist to this end speaks volumes.

Wikipedia: "Research shows that illegal immigrants increase the size of the U.S. economy/contribute to economic growth, enhance the welfare of natives, contribute more in tax revenue than they collect, reduce American firms' incentives to offshore jobs and import foreign-produced goods, and benefit consumers by reducing the prices of goods and services. Economists estimate that legalization of the illegal immigrant population would increase the immigrants' earnings and consumption considerably, and increase U.S. gross domestic product."

[jlisenbe]

The dufus has passed a judgement on migrants and branded them illegal and treated them like criminals without the proper due process required by law. You have aided, abetted, and enabled such bad behavior with your support of him. The fact that you as a Christian have joined the supremist to this end speaks volumes.

Uhm... let's see. There is a legal way to enter the country. If you just walk in and don't follow the law, then you are breaking the law and deserve to be treated as a criminal. Not real complicated.

Wikipedia: "Research shows that illegal immigrants increase the size of the U.S. economy/contribute to economic growth, enhance the welfare of natives, contribute more in tax revenue than they collect, reduce American firms' incentives to offshore jobs and import foreign-produced goods, and benefit consumers by reducing the prices of goods and services. Economists estimate that legalization of the illegal immigrant population would increase the immigrants' earnings and consumption considerably, and increase U.S. gross domestic product."

I'd love to see this alleged research. How would anyone have any idea how much taxes are paid by illegals? And yes, legalizing the illegal population would add greatly to the democrat voting base which is why they are all in favor of it.

[Wondergirl]

Research

• "The Impact of Unauthorized Immigrants on the Budgets of State and Local Governments". Congressional Budget Office. December 2007.
• ^ ^{a b} "The economic impact of US immigration policies in the Age of Trump" (PDF).
• ^ ^{a b} Liu, Xiangbo (2010-12-01). "On the macroeconomic and welfare effects of illegal immigration" (PDF). Journal of Economic Dynamics and Control. 34 (12): 2547–2567. doi:10.1016/j.jedc.2010.06.030.
• ^ ^{a b} Palivos, Theodore; Yip, Chong K. (2010-09-01). "Illegal immigration in a heterogeneous labor market". Journal of Economics. 101 (1): 21–47. doi:10.1007/s00712-010-0139-y. ISSN 0931-8658.
• ^ ^{a b}
• See Wikipedia article for more. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ille..._United_States

And yes, legalizing the illegal population would add greatly to the democrat voting base which is why they are all in favor of it.

Why on earth would it add to the dem voting base???? It would definitely add to repub business owners' bank accounts because crops would get harvested, hospital and nursing home and office floors would get swabbed, roofs would get roofed, and homes and office buildings would get built.

[jlisenbe]

1. I'm going to go way out on a limb here and suggest you have not read a single one of the research papers. If you had, you would have found the following fascinating text.

"This paper examines the effects of illegal immigration in a neoclassical growth model with two groups of workers, skilled and unskilled. We show that although illegal immigration is a boon to a country as a whole, there are distributional effects, whose sign is in general ambiguous. This is because all sources of income of both groups are affected and some of these changes tend to move income in opposite directions. Nevertheless, calibration exercises show that the wealth distribution is likely to become more unequal as the number of illegal immigrants increases. We confirm most of our calibration results analytically in a small open economy version of the basic model. Finally, our results remain robust when we extend the model to allow for endogenous skill acquisition."

I found nothing that supported the Wikipedia article. But if that article is correct, then wouldn't it be wise to just open the border up and let anyone and everyone in? Is that what you are proposing?

2. Most of the illegals are Hispanic. Hispanics overwhelmingly vote democrat. You do the math.

[tomder55]

The dufus has passed a judgement on migrants and branded them illegal

If they crossed the border illegally ,then by definition they are illegals .

[tomder55]

some of the headlines in the last few months .

https://bigleaguepolitics.com/texas-...-migration/

https://www.pressherald.com/2018/12/...city-services/

https://www.motherjones.com/politics...hildren-trump/

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xzp80KfEUjk
https://www.washingtonpost.com/

https://onenewsnow.com/culture/2019/...ng-aid-program

https://www.theglobeandmail.com/poli...efugee-system/

[talaniman]

"This paper examines the effects of illegal immigration in a neoclassical growth model with two groups of workers, skilled and unskilled. We show that although illegal immigration is a boon to a country as a whole, there are distributional effects, whose sign is in general ambiguous. This is because all sources of income of both groups are affected and some of these changes tend to move income in opposite directions. Nevertheless, calibration exercises show that the wealth distribution is likely to become more unequal as the number of illegal immigrants increases. We confirm most of our calibration results analytically in a small open economy version of the basic model. Finally, our results remain robust when we extend the model to allow for endogenous skill acquisition."

That in no way precludes the veracity of any of the accepted data. The text obviously refers to state counties and regions in the US, and that's an important distinction. The wealth gap is widening with or without undocumented immigrants. Yes more than half are hispanic so what? That population hasn't grown greatly in a decade while others are, and that is what is accounting for the spike at the southern border.

Maybe it would be more practical if we build a wall at Mexico's southern border...and we pay for it!

[jlisenbe]

This paper examines the effects of illegal immigration in a neoclassical growth model with two groups of workers, skilled and unskilled.

Yes. That certainly makes a lot of sense. I think frequently about a neoclassical growth model. I'm sure you do as well.

[Wondergirl]

Yes. That certainly makes a lot of sense. I think frequently about a neoclassical growth model. I'm sure you do as well.

I won't post the entire explanation, since you get irritated so easily.

"What Is the Neoclassical Growth Model?

The Neoclassical growth model is based on an economic theory that outlines how a steady economic growth rate results from a combination of three driving forces: labor, capital, and technology."

[jlisenbe]

Read all the goobly-gook you want. Then build the wall.

In the meantime:

[talaniman]

Nust be worse than we though where they are running from.

[tomder55]

Refugees should be armed,trained and encouraged to take back their country from the leaders of the nation ,who can either reform or die.

[tomder55]

Open borders encourages money laundering and people smuggling and disincentivizes patriotism in the Third World .
If the globalists really want to prevent failing states they should make it difficult for any high ranking 3rd world official to move themselves, their money or their families to the West unless specially cleared.

The idea is already contained in the Magnitsky Act. Since 2016 the bill, which applies globally, authorizes the US government to sanction those who it sees as human rights offenders, freezing their assets, and ban them from entering the U.S. . you remember the Magnitsky act don't you ? The act the Ruskies TRIED to get Trump to repeal ?

https://www.news.com.au/world/south-...1fa36348748a1f

[Wondergirl]

No one is in favor of "open borders"!!!!

[jlisenbe]

Only the democrats. They favor security with their words, but have no real ideas of how to achieve it. Build the wall.

[talaniman]

And repubs believe a wall is their savior? What a dufus idea.

[Wondergirl]

Only the democrats. They favor security with their words, but have no real ideas of how to achieve it. Build the wall.

And if the refugees and immigrants were blond-haired, blue-eyed Caucasians, we'd send buses south to bring them here.

Dems believe in technology, knowing that the brrr brrr noise it makes doesn't cause cancer.

[jlisenbe]

And if the refugees and immigrants were blond-haired, blue-eyed Caucasians, we'd send buses south to bring them here.

Yet another hateful, prejudiced statement. Very disappointing. You have essentially jumped on the Trump train. And yes, I have probably again gotten carried away and perhaps too harsh in my response, but I don't like your implication that conservatives are racists. It is a terribly unfair accusation.

Dems believe in technology, knowing that the brrr brrr noise it makes doesn't cause cancer.

What???

[Wondergirl]

Yet another hateful, prejudiced statement. Very disappointing. You have essentially jumped on the Trump train.

You don't think Trump would agree with that? At an Oval Office meeting with lawmakers, he said he doesn't want immigrants from “$h!thole countries” (Haiti and Africa) and called for more immigrants from places like Norway (blond-haired, blue-eyed Caucasians).

What???

Drones are quiet, and other technologies that can be used at the southern border are quiet, unlike, according to Trump, wind turbines that go brrr brrr and give one cancer. And when there's no wind, your tv doesn't work because the electricity is off.