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jlisenbe · Mar 31, 2019, 05:36 AM

There is an emergency and has been for years. Build the wall.

talaniman · Mar 31, 2019, 04:24 PM

The emergency is incompetence and inefficient government that no wall can fix.

paraclete · Mar 31, 2019, 04:28 PM

Originally Posted by talaniman

The emergency is incompetence and inefficient government that no wall can fix.

Undoubtedly, but it didn't start with Trump, and it won't end there. You need to get rid of the inefficient form of governance which relies on influence peddling and corruption

jlisenbe · Mar 31, 2019, 04:55 PM

You cannot patrol a thousand miles of border on foot. If we haven't learned anything else, we've learned that. I'm sure the government could be more efficient and competent, but a wall is the only solution I have heard of that stands a good chance of working.

Wondergirl · Mar 31, 2019, 04:57 PM

Originally Posted by jlisenbe

You cannot patrol a thousand miles of border on foot. If we haven't learned anything else, we've learned that. I'm sure the government could be more efficient and competent, but a wall is the only solution I have heard of that stands a good chance of working.

This is 2019. Technology rules!

And on which side of the river will you build that wall? We'll cut off our nose to spite our face?

talaniman · Mar 31, 2019, 05:21 PM

Originally Posted by paraclete

Undoubtedly, but it didn't start with Trump, and it won't end there. You need to get rid of the inefficient form of governance which relies on influence peddling and corruption

I can't argue with the effects of Mo'Money on the elected officials.

Originally Posted by jlisenbe

You cannot patrol a thousand miles of border on foot. If we haven't learned anything else, we've learned that. I'm sure the government could be more efficient and competent, but a wall is the only solution I have heard of that stands a good chance of working.

So we won't need all those humans patrolling our border? What about under and over it?

Originally Posted by Wondergirl

This is 2019. Technology rules!

And on which side of the river will you build that wall? We'll cut off our nose to spite our face?

An electronic wall!

jlisenbe · Mar 31, 2019, 05:38 PM

So we won't need all those humans patrolling our border? What about under and over it?

What they are doing now without a wall is plainly not working. With a wall, they will have a much better chance.

As to an electronic wall, go check on the prisons and jails and see how many of them are using an electronic wall. It's just a pipedream.

Wondergirl · Mar 31, 2019, 05:43 PM

Originally Posted by jlisenbe

What they are doing now without a wall is plainly now working. With a wall, they will have a much better chance.

Yes, it's plainly now working! Chance at what? On which side of the river would this wall be?

jlisenbe · Mar 31, 2019, 06:26 PM

Yes, it's plainly now working!

With hundreds of thousands of illegal crossings a year, I don't know how you can regard that as working.

Chance at what?

Reducing the numbers to merely thousands rather than hundreds of thousands.

On which side of the river would this wall be?

It would have to be our side. There are presently walls and fences at various points. Which side are they built on?

Wondergirl · Mar 31, 2019, 06:36 PM

Originally Posted by jlisenbe

Yes, it's plainly now working!

With hundreds of thousands of illegal crossings a year, I don't know how you can regard that as working.

That's what YOU said.

It would have to be our side. There are presently walls and fences at various points. Which side are they built on?

What about the river? Why would we block ourselves off from that very important waterway?

paraclete · Mar 31, 2019, 06:43 PM

Originally Posted by Wondergirl

That's what YOU said.

What about the river? Why would we block ourselves off from that very important waterway?

If it were me I would build it up the centre of the river, has advantages like no tunnels and much more difficulty in getting to it and climbing it, also less eminent domain issues but then maybe I don't know the terrain but building it back from the river is just inviting people to cross

jlisenbe · Mar 31, 2019, 06:45 PM

Whoops. That "now" should have been "not". Good catch.

What about the river? Why would we block ourselves off from that very important waterway?

Gates? That's what prisons use, gates. Seem to work pretty well. "Gated" communities used gates. Schools surrounded by fences use... gates.

Wondergirl · Mar 31, 2019, 06:54 PM

Originally Posted by jlisenbe

Gates? That's what prisons use, gates. Seem to work pretty well. "Gated" communities used gates. Schools surrounded by fences use... gates.

There are easier and cheaper ways than a wall in the middle of a river. The construction alone boggles the mind, never mind maintenance and oversight.

paraclete · Mar 31, 2019, 08:56 PM

Originally Posted by Wondergirl

There are easier and cheaper ways than a wall in the middle of a river. The construction alone boggles the mind, never mind maintenance and oversight.

What a maintenance? What oversight? No more than you spend now, and easily built using pile drivers on barges. If this boggles the mind, you are easily boggled

Wondergirl · Mar 31, 2019, 09:09 PM

Originally Posted by paraclete

What a maintenance? What oversight? No more than you spend now, and easily built using pile drivers on barges. If this boggles the mind, you are easily boggled

Then you move here and show us, please. I've read articles by engineers who say the cost alone would be mindboggling. And going from country to country would be horrendous.

paraclete · Mar 31, 2019, 11:14 PM

Originally Posted by Wondergirl

Then you move here and show us, please. I've read articles by engineers who say the cost alone would be mindboggling. And going from country to country would be horrendous.

I thought you had bridges and checkpoints to go from country to country so that is a different issue. The cost of any wall is mindboggling, many miles, difficult terrain but if you are going to build it, get on with it, or contract it out to the Chinese, they have wall building skills, a willing work force and you may be able to convince them to go home when the job is done

jlisenbe · Apr 1, 2019, 04:41 AM

We already have some areas that are fenced. I don't understand why you think it is such a difficult undertaking to build a wall. Move a couple of hundred yards north of the river and build the wall. Simple.

paraclete · Apr 1, 2019, 05:41 AM

Originally Posted by jlisenbe

We already have some areas that are fenced. I don't understand why you think it is such a difficult undertaking to build a wall. Move a couple of hundred yards north of the river and build the wall. Simple.

Eminent domain, access to water, not to mention you have allowed illegals on to your land

talaniman · Apr 1, 2019, 06:41 AM

By law, migrants are NOT illegal until they have been processed. What's illegal is denying them that process. Like that stops the immigration hardliners from siding with the dufus not just about a wall, but the inhumane management of this classic issue, just as he mismanages MANY of our issues we face as a country.

The wall is but a smokescreen that the hardliners can rally around against the real issue of divide and conquer and GET PAID. Even sadder that the bible thumpers and racist coalition rally behind the side of fear and division and LIES.

jlisenbe · Apr 1, 2019, 10:16 AM

The wall is but a smokescreen that the hardliners can rally around against the real issue of divide and conquer and GET PAID. Even sadder that the bible thumpers and racist coalition rally behind the side of fear and division and LIES.

We want to stop the flood of illegal immigrants, clean and simple. Sad that in your mind that makes us "bible thumpers and racist coalition". Yet you are the guy that wants to bemoan the practice of name calling by Trump. Sounds to me like the two of you have a lot in common.