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  1. Question: IVF Alabama

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    Without question life itself begins at...

    Without question life itself begins at conception. I say that since the ovum is very much alive and contains all of the genetic information it will ever have. It is unarguably human since it cannot...
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    England, in the 18th and 19th centuries, flipped...

    England, in the 18th and 19th centuries, flipped its position on both the slave trade and slave ownership because of a concerted effort by Christians led by Wilberforce, Wesley, and others. That...
  3. Question: IVF Alabama

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    Done. Too much sick, perverted thinking for my...

    Done. Too much sick, perverted thinking for my taste.
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    Only sick-minded perverts think in that way.

    Only sick-minded perverts think in that way.
  5. Question: IVF Alabama

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    You libs live in such a strange world. You shout...

    You libs live in such a strange world. You shout loudly that women should have control over their own bodies, and yet when it comes to women avoiding pregnancy, those weak and silly women are...
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    WG's real name. "Avoid the real issue at all...

    WG's real name. "Avoid the real issue at all costs." Men should be more responsible. Women, who have far more to lose, should be more responsible. None of that makes it OK to have an abortion.
  7. Question: IVF Alabama

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    This has become beyond tiresome. You are asking...

    This has become beyond tiresome. You are asking why a woman wants to have her unborn child killed. It's on the same level as finding out that a man murdered his wife, and then wanting to ask why he...
  8. Question: IVF Alabama

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    Your first sentence is reasonable. It's much...

    Your first sentence is reasonable. It's much better than suggesting the Ten Commandments have become the Ten Guidelines.

    If a woman walks in the love of Christ, she will not allow a doctor to...
  9. Question: IVF Alabama

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    You will not answer. I knew it. So predictable. ...

    You will not answer. I knew it. So predictable.

    The rest of your post is lunacy. So not stealing, murdering, and lying are merely guidelines now??? It's an idea supported nowhere in the Bible and...
  10. Question: IVF Alabama

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    No answer. Fearful. Sorry, but that's a lie....

    No answer. Fearful.

    Sorry, but that's a lie. You were "merely" affirming your belief that babies are worthless thieves. It's why you started with "yes". I don't mean that to be ugly, but truth is...
  11. Question: IVF Alabama

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    Post 31. But you will just evade. Fearful. ...

    Post 31. But you will just evade. Fearful.

    "Yes, a 'worthless thief' if it's inside your abdominal cavity."
  12. Question: IVF Alabama

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    It's the other one.

    It's the other one.
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    And as anyone interested in the truth already...

    And as anyone interested in the truth already knows, I answered that on post 46. Kind of beginning to wonder about someone's memory. Since you clearly can't find it, then here is the question you...
  14. Question: IVF Alabama

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    So scared of answering a simple question? Doesn’t...

    So scared of answering a simple question? Doesn’t that cowardice get embarrassing? Now if you want me to treat you like the sweet little old lady at the church picnic then I can, but I had hoped you...
  15. Question: IVF Alabama

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    I knew you wouldn’t answer. You consider unborn...

    I knew you wouldn’t answer. You consider unborn children to be nothing more than things and thieves. I have found that if I ask you the right questions, you usually avoid them, like now, but if you...
  16. Question: IVF Alabama

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    You answered a question as "yes", so this belongs...

    You answered a question as "yes", so this belongs to you. "Yes, a 'worthless thief' if it's inside your abdominal cavity." It is how you characterized an unborn child.

    You are guilty as charged....
  17. Question: IVF Alabama

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    I posed, very clearly as a question, this. "A...

    I posed, very clearly as a question, this. "A worthless thief??" It had an accompanying pic. You replied in the affirmative. "Yes, a 'worthless thief' if it's inside your abdominal cavity."

    So...
  18. Question: IVF Alabama

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    Might as well. It seems to be what you typically...

    Might as well. It seems to be what you typically do when you are stuck in a corner. And I assure you this appalling statement will not be soon forgotten. It's still shocking to read.

    You really...
  19. Question: IVF Alabama

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    More whining and lying. You said, "Yes, a...

    More whining and lying. You said, "Yes, a "worthless thief" if it's inside your abdominal cavity." It is your thought and you have to own it. And that was after saying, "...whose immature body...
  20. Question: IVF Alabama

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    Worthless thief in 63. Thing in 60. No doubt...

    Worthless thief in 63. Thing in 60.

    No doubt you will blame it on someone else. That is your usual practice.
  21. Question: IVF Alabama

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    Nope. They were your words. Now you regret it, or...

    Nope. They were your words. Now you regret it, or at least I hope you do. It was a sick comment. You did a perfectly adequate job of making yourself look extremely bad.
  22. Question: IVF Alabama

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    I quoted you exactly. Toast.

    I quoted you exactly. Toast.
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    Sorry WG, but you're toast after this. "Yes, a...

    Sorry WG, but you're toast after this. "Yes, a "worthless thief" if it's inside your abdominal cavity." Your noble counselor effort has failed mightily. You would want a pregnant woman to say, "This...
  24. Question: IVF Alabama

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    Here's one for you. She was not advised to get...

    Here's one for you. She was not advised to get rid of the worthless thief in her abdomen.

    Women who conceived through rape: 'My baby was part of my healing' (liveaction.org)
  25. Question: IVF Alabama

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    Please stop with the dishonesty. Well, that...

    Please stop with the dishonesty.

    Well, that pretty well sums up your view. All unborn children are mere "things" and worthless thieves.

    In my experience, if I let a person talk long enough, the...
  26. Question: IVF Alabama

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    Wondergirl's "thing" at twenty weeks. A worthless...

    Wondergirl's "thing" at twenty weeks. A worthless thief??


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  27. Question: IVF Alabama

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    Your dishonesty is just shocking, You are making...

    Your dishonesty is just shocking, You are making a factual appeal to what is, for you, a work of fiction. It doesn't get much worse than that. And that has been shown to you repeatedly. You just have...
  28. Question: IVF Alabama

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    Perhaps you can tell me what could ever be more...

    Perhaps you can tell me what could ever be more important than the life of that baby. The fact that, in your view, it is "unwanted" is appalling to me. And the idea that you would justify the killing...
  29. Question: IVF Alabama

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    That's exactly what you did, and now you want to...

    That's exactly what you did, and now you want to deny it.

    It's pretty clear. Just go ahead and end the baby's life because of Christ's love.

    Now if that was not your intended meaning, then...
  30. Question: IVF Alabama

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    You justify an abortion by appealing to Gods...

    You justify an abortion by appealing to Gods love. Wow. I will pray for you as well.
  31. Question: IVF Alabama

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    If you want to endorse abortion, then be honest...

    If you want to endorse abortion, then be honest enough to just come out with it. Everyone knows where you stand anyway.
  32. Question: IVF Alabama

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    So you appeal to God's wondrous love to justify...

    So you appeal to God's wondrous love to justify the brutal killing of an innocent child? To you, it's all done because of the love of Jesus? It can evidently excuse any perverse desire of yours.
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  33. Question: IVF Alabama

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    The usual excuses for you. It never ends.

    The usual excuses for you. It never ends.
  34. Question: IVF Alabama

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    Yeah. You’re the person is who is against...

    Yeah. You’re the person is who is against abortion. Right.

    My granddaughter would have great physical and emotional support. She would be able to live the rest of her life with a clean...
  35. Question: IVF Alabama

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    Asks the person who really thinks others will...

    Asks the person who really thinks others will believe that she is against abortion.

    I would advise her not to have her unborn child murdered. It's the same advice I would give her if she had a...
  36. Question: IVF Alabama

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    Says the person who wants others to believe she...

    Says the person who wants others to believe she is against abortion because it violates God's law against murder.
  37. Question: IVF Alabama

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    You've always believed that abortion is a...

    You've always believed that abortion is a violation of God's law? Huh. I would never have thought considering past remarks you've made. Just in the past two days you made the ones below. They are...
  38. Question: IVF Alabama

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    Please read what was posted above in 38. And...

    Please read what was posted above in 38.

    And again, you now agree that abortion is a violation of the, for you, fifth commandment. That's real progress.
  39. Question: IVF Alabama

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    And here is the solution. Turns out we are both...

    And here is the solution. Turns out we are both correct.



    Numbering of Ten Commandments – WELS
  40. Question: IVF Alabama

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    Good grief!! Even Young's Literal Translation...

    Good grief!! Even Young's Literal Translation somehow messed it up. I'm going to get those people to call you so you can set them straight on the Nine Commandments. [a little humor]

    Exodus 20 YLT...
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    Have it your way. In a day when men can believe...

    Have it your way. In a day when men can believe they are women, you can certainly believe that the sixth commandment is the fifth commandment, and the fifth commandment is the fourth commandment,...
  42. Question: IVF Alabama

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    Nope. Fourth commandment is to honor the Sabbath....

    Nope. Fourth commandment is to honor the Sabbath.

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    Evidently I belong to the branch of the church that knows the Ten Commandments.

    And again.
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    The fifth commandment is to honor mom and dad....

    The fifth commandment is to honor mom and dad. And I will happily admit that while I know them, I don’t know them in order. I always look it up as I did in this case.
  44. Question: IVF Alabama

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    Can't be done. The baby will spontaneously abort...

    Can't be done. The baby will spontaneously abort in that case. And, of course, an abortion of an already dead baby can be done as well. Happens rather frequently. It's called a miscarriage.

    Yes....
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    Just once I'd like to see you have the moral...

    Just once I'd like to see you have the moral courage to be responsible for your own actions.

    Help those women? My wife and I have done so many times. If you will lift up your head and look, you...
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    How do you know that? Rather judgmental of you...

    How do you know that? Rather judgmental of you don’t you think?
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    The link takes you right to it. 484.

    The link takes you right to it. 484.
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    Then why did you say I made a “mistake” in...

    Then why did you say I made a “mistake” in opposing abortion?
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    Answer my question first. Why are you against...

    Answer my question first. Why are you against abortion?
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    Answering a question with a question. Evasion,...

    Answering a question with a question. Evasion, your name is Wondergirl.

    But I am happy to show you how it is done. There is a fetus because the woman conceived and that independent human life is...
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